Comments on: Is Politics really a ‘dirty’ game? http://www.elections2009.co.za/2008/12/01/is-politics-really-a-dirty-game/ Political Discussions for the 2009 Elections Mon, 06 Feb 2012 00:47:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Barend La Grange http://www.elections2009.co.za/2008/12/01/is-politics-really-a-dirty-game/#comment-189 Barend La Grange Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:09:53 +0000 http://www.elections2009.co.za/?p=76#comment-189 Hi Bil , Thanks for your comments. As you can see this article was actually my call on Christians not to see themselves as an isolated group of people but to accomodate everyone because we are a Country of people with different believes ("people who are qualified and competent, no matter what religious views they have"). So I do not criticize people with other believes and this is neither a forum where I would try to defend my own. Christianity however is about a personal relationship with Jesus and not about the intrepetation of certain verses in the Bible. Hi Bil , Thanks for your comments. As you can see this article was actually my call on Christians not to see themselves as an isolated group of people but to accomodate everyone because we are a Country of people with different believes (”people who are qualified and competent, no matter what religious views they have”). So I do not criticize people with other believes and this is neither a forum where I would try to defend my own. Christianity however is about a personal relationship with Jesus and not about the intrepetation of certain verses in the Bible.

]]> By: Bil http://www.elections2009.co.za/2008/12/01/is-politics-really-a-dirty-game/#comment-187 Bil Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:24:56 +0000 http://www.elections2009.co.za/?p=76#comment-187 I disagree with your article. Religion and politics should under no be combined. "This attitude is often justified from a Christian point of view." Doesn't this tell you something? "In the New Testament, it is said that all governments were put in place by God." Cough Zanu-PF Cough. Is God a sadist? Robert Mugabe is a Roman Catholic[1]. "My question is this – don’t Christians have a role to play here? It is specifically in this area where Christians can practice their morals and values to the benefit of everyone." Haha, are you joking here? The Bible allows slavery[2], rape[3] and promotes genocide[4]. These are violations of basic human rights!!!! How extremely moral. "pray for our government" What good is that gonna do?....Doesn't God already know of our problems? 'Give a man a fish and he's fed for a day, teach a man to fish and he's fed for a lifetime, give a man a Bible and he will die praying for food.' "The Christian belief is based on forgiveness and love – love for every person – no matter what…" Wrong, its love every person if he's a Christian[5]. There are more examples......all you have to do is ask. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe [2]Leviticus 25:44-46;Exodus 21:2-6;Exodus 21:7-11;Exodus 21:20-21;Ephesians 6:5;Luke 12:47-48 [3]Judges 21: 10- 24;Numbers 31: 7-18 [4]Exodus34: 11-14;Leviticus 26: 7-9 [5]Leviticus 14:34;Deuteronomy 2:25;Deuteronomy 7:3;Deuteronomy 12:2-3;there are so many just visit http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html I disagree with your article.

Religion and politics should under no be combined.

“This attitude is often justified from a Christian point of view.”
Doesn’t this tell you something?

“In the New Testament, it is said that all governments were put in place by God.”
Cough Zanu-PF Cough. Is God a sadist? Robert Mugabe is a Roman Catholic[1].

“My question is this – don’t Christians have a role to play here? It is specifically in this area where Christians can practice their morals and values to the benefit of everyone.”

Haha, are you joking here? The Bible allows slavery[2], rape[3] and promotes genocide[4].
These are violations of basic human rights!!!! How extremely moral.

“pray for our government”
What good is that gonna do?….Doesn’t God already know of our problems?
‘Give a man a fish and he’s fed for a day, teach a man to fish and he’s fed for a lifetime, give a man a Bible and he will die praying for food.’

“The Christian belief is based on forgiveness and love – love for every person – no matter what…”

Wrong, its love every person if he’s a Christian[5].

There are more examples……all you have to do is ask.

[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe
[2]Leviticus 25:44-46;Exodus 21:2-6;Exodus 21:7-11;Exodus 21:20-21;Ephesians 6:5;Luke 12:47-48
[3]Judges 21: 10- 24;Numbers 31: 7-18
[4]Exodus34: 11-14;Leviticus 26: 7-9
[5]Leviticus 14:34;Deuteronomy 2:25;Deuteronomy 7:3;Deuteronomy 12:2-3;there are so many just visit http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html

]]> By: Eunice http://www.elections2009.co.za/2008/12/01/is-politics-really-a-dirty-game/#comment-28 Eunice Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:03:33 +0000 http://www.elections2009.co.za/?p=76#comment-28 Hi Oom Barend, Ek is baie bly en verlig om te sien dat iemand bereid is om op te staan en uit te praat oor wat reg is- veral oor Christene en die politiek in Suid Afrika. Ons as Christene is verantwoordelik om eerstens 'faithfully' te bid vir ons land. En tweedens MOET elke enkele person wat hulself 'n Christen noem, aksie neem om ons land om te draai vir Christus - en ons kan dit doen deur te stem. In die New Kings James version se dit mooi hoe ons moet dink oor dit: "Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, 'You have faith, and I have works.' Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith BY my works." en verder aan se dit: "Do you see that faith was working together with [Abraham's] works, and by works faith was made perfect?" James 2:17,18 & 22 Met ander woorde, Christene moet besef dat God van ons verwag om te bid EN te reageer op situasies - veral as dit kom by politiek. Ons kan net 100% ons geloof uitleef as ons dit ondersteun met werke. Stem en bid is die oplossing vir ons land. As die politieke situasie in ons land onmoontlik vir ons lyk, is dit presies waar God ons wil he - afhanklik van Hom en bereid om te bid. En daarna moet ons Hom vra wat Hy wil he ons moet doen oor die situasie. Ons los dit dan in Sy hande en Hy sal dan de res voorsien en AL die eer kry! Ek hoop ek het my punt duidelik oorgebring. Dankie, baie Blessings Eunice Hi Oom Barend,

Ek is baie bly en verlig om te sien dat iemand bereid is om op te staan en uit te praat oor wat reg is- veral oor Christene en die politiek in Suid Afrika. Ons as Christene is verantwoordelik om eerstens ‘faithfully’ te bid vir ons land. En tweedens MOET elke enkele person wat hulself ‘n Christen noem, aksie neem om ons land om te draai vir Christus - en ons kan dit doen deur te stem.

In die New Kings James version se dit mooi hoe ons moet dink oor dit: “Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, ‘You have faith, and I have works.’ Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith BY my works.” en verder aan se dit: “Do you see that faith was working together with [Abraham's] works, and by works faith was made perfect?” James 2:17,18 & 22

Met ander woorde, Christene moet besef dat God van ons verwag om te bid EN te reageer op situasies - veral as dit kom by politiek. Ons kan net 100% ons geloof uitleef as ons dit ondersteun met werke. Stem en bid is die oplossing vir ons land. As die politieke situasie in ons land onmoontlik vir ons lyk, is dit presies waar God ons wil he - afhanklik van Hom en bereid om te bid. En daarna moet ons Hom vra wat Hy wil he ons moet doen oor die situasie. Ons los dit dan in Sy hande en Hy sal dan de res voorsien en AL die eer kry! Ek hoop ek het my punt duidelik oorgebring.

Dankie, baie Blessings
Eunice

]]> By: Sarel http://www.elections2009.co.za/2008/12/01/is-politics-really-a-dirty-game/#comment-25 Sarel Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:18:42 +0000 http://www.elections2009.co.za/?p=76#comment-25 Hi Barend, Ek het jou artikels gelees. Ek is ook van mening dat ons as christene nie aktief genoeg betrokke is by die politiek van ons dag nie. Gesien in die lig van ons agtergrond, het ons die politiek vermy omdat ons geleer is poltiek is vuil en dat christene hulle nie daarby moet inmeng nie. Trek jou kruisie en los die vuilspel vir iemand wat bereid is om homself te besmeer. Tog is dit duidelik dat die politieke toestand van ons land juis is wat dit is omdat ware sterk beginselvaste leiers die platvorm vermy. Die christen is juis geroep om sout van die aarde te wees waar agteruitgang en korrupsie plaasvind. Of lig in die wêreld waar die duisternis heers. Feit is dat duisternis alleenlik heers waar lig afwesig is. Sodra die lig verskyn sal die duisternis wyk. Die Kerk ken nie meer haar plek op die markplein nie. Ons is nie sigbaar en aanwesig nie. Iemand het eenmaal die aanmerking gemaak dat die kerk altyd uitasem en te laat op die toneel opdaag. Ek hoop saam met jou dat alle christene hierdie verkiesing sal stem om te keer dat slegs hulle wat betrokke is in die “vuil politiek” ons toekoms sal bepaal. Ek salueer jou. Sarel Hi Barend, Ek het jou artikels gelees. Ek is ook van mening dat ons as christene nie aktief genoeg betrokke is by die politiek van ons dag nie. Gesien in die lig van ons agtergrond, het ons die politiek vermy omdat ons geleer is poltiek is vuil en dat christene hulle nie daarby moet inmeng nie. Trek jou kruisie en los die vuilspel vir iemand wat bereid is om homself te besmeer. Tog is dit duidelik dat die politieke toestand van ons land juis is wat dit is omdat ware sterk beginselvaste leiers die platvorm vermy.
Die christen is juis geroep om sout van die aarde te wees waar agteruitgang en korrupsie plaasvind. Of lig in die wêreld waar die duisternis heers. Feit is dat duisternis alleenlik heers waar lig afwesig is. Sodra die lig verskyn sal die duisternis wyk. Die Kerk ken nie meer haar plek op die markplein nie. Ons is nie sigbaar en aanwesig nie. Iemand het eenmaal die aanmerking gemaak dat die kerk altyd uitasem en te laat op die toneel opdaag. Ek hoop saam met jou dat alle christene hierdie verkiesing sal stem om te keer dat slegs hulle wat betrokke is in die “vuil politiek” ons toekoms sal bepaal.
Ek salueer jou.
Sarel

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